View Full Version : New Camcorder User, Bought a VDR-D220


twoehr
I just bought a Panasonic VDR-D220 (Specs similar to a 230) and wanted to share my initial experience and thoughts. Overall I'm not impressed, mainly regarding the usability, and feel at this point that I'll be returning it. My biggest gripes revolve around the DVD-RAM disk and lack of software.

Of all the recordable formats I like the concept of the DVD-RAM (acts like a hard drive), but it is unreadable by both my DVD player and DVD drives in my computer. Therefore the benefit of using DVD over miniDV or HDD is lost. I think I'd have to switch to DVD-RW if I were to keep it (I won't use DVD-R).

My other issue is the software, or lack thereof. The only software that came with the camera was DVD-RAM software so that the computer can mount the disk when the camera is attached to the computer via the USB cable. (Oh, and thanks, camera must be on AC too. I know it would not be a good situation if the battery died, but don't force me, give me a choice.) Nothing else, the camera isn't a deal if I got to go out and buy another $100 is software. (I have the feeling this is "standard" and everyone with a camera needs to buy additional software.)

As for the software and how video is recorded itself is annoying. I would have expected the DVD format to be more convenient than tape. (Heck it doesn't record as good quality as miniDV, so there's got to be a benefit somewhere, right?) The video is all put into one file, not one filter per scene or recording session, so it is continuous, like tape. I would prefer discrete files. Also what is with VRO? Why not just make it mpg. It is isn't it, that's why you just re-label it. But, no that's not right either, as the re-labeled file looks like it is just as long as the first scene, but it is actually all the video, ugh.

I have tried some demo programs of editing software and others illicitly posted. I do think that VideoReDo is a very nice product, and if I keep the camera I think I'll buy that. But I was expecting the experience to be similar to capturing video on a still camera, a nice compact mpg file for each scene, easy to copy to a computer, easy to view, etc.

So, am I crazy, expecting too much, just not "doing it right"? Wadaya say?

poncho
Of all the recordable formats I like the concept of the DVD-RAM (acts like a hard drive), but it is unreadable by both my DVD player and DVD drives in my computer.Sounds good but the format did not gain the popularity I had expected.


(I have the feeling this is "standard" and everyone with a camera needs to buy additional software.)
Pretty much. I have camcorders and cameras which I never have installed the software.


The video is all put into one file, not one filter per scene or recording session, so it is continuous, like tape. I would prefer discrete files.
With MiniDV and Digital8 and I believe HDV you can "capture" the entire tape or you can use scene detection. I use both. This years I have been using scene detection, last year I did not, the year before I mixed...

I think I'd have to switch to DVD-RW if I were to keep it (I won't use DVD-R).I quit using CD-RW's many years ago and I quit using DVD-RW's years ago. Too many failures on too many systems trying various brands. They have always sounded appealing, but I lost trust in them. Of course others may have various opinions and experiences.


I have tried some demo programs of editing software and others illicitly posted. I do think that VideoReDo is a very nice product, and if I keep the camera I think I'll buy that.
Ulead VideoStudio 10 and Womble seem to be very popular with the DVD camcorder users. If it were me, I would go with Ulead.


But I was expecting the experience to be similar to capturing video on a still camera, a nice compact mpg file for each scene, easy to copy to a computer, easy to view, etc.I think there are some technical complications which I can not recall at the moment. One might be the possible limit of files another might be seek times when trying to search. How about those 1 second scenes that everyone seems to encounter?.


So, am I crazy, expecting too much, just not "doing it right"? Wadaya say?
I think you had certain expectations only to find out things were different. You may be a bit crazy. I can understand where you are coming from, I get frustrated at times, but then I remember shooting "Home Movies" on film 30+ years ago never thinking some day they would be on a color TV with sound!




Rich

twoehr
Good insights Rich. What media do you use/prefer? I wonder if the HDD users have the same issues as I.

Tim

poncho
I've been using Memorex DVD+R for about two years with no problems on 6 different machines. I think I used close to 50. When I ran out and needed more discs in a hurry I bought Maxell DVD-R's which seem to be working. They are not the cheapest, nor the most expensive. I see some extremely cheap "Un-named" DVD which I stay away from.



Rich