jvc gr-hd1 verse hd7?

hey, im in the search for a new camcorder, and i was wondering whether the hd1 would still hold up in picture quality verse an hd7 or even a canon hv20 (or hv30).

Im seriously considering the two jvc's over the canon becuase i am taking a video production class and im looking for a camera that will offer plenty of manual controls, especially a focus ring. I want a camcorder that i can use during the summer and one that will be simular to the cam i use now which is a panasonic dvx100, however i dont have the money for that camcorder.

Hopefully you guys can help me out here if any of you have experience with the three cameras (hv20, hd1, or hd7).

alright, well considering the amount of views without a response, i guess i should simplify my question to this: does anybody still use the jvc hd1 and like its performance?

my bad guys, i just found a simular thread which i couldnt find earlier b/c i used the wrong words, whatever. sorry for looking like a noob on this forum, peace

The JVC HD7 uses standard definition chips and uses pixel shifting to uprezz to 1080i. The JVC HD1 however uses native 720p high definition chips so I think the HD1 can capture more fine detail. The thing I don't like about the HD7 is that it is a 1080i interlace scanning camcorder and I think that the 720p progressive scanning is superior to interlace. However the HD1 can only shoot at 30 frames per second in the 720p mode whereas more up to date consumer 720p cameras can shoot at 60 frames per second.

As far as comparing the 720p JVC HD1 to the 1080p Canon HV20 the advantage of the JVC is that it has 25 percent less motion blurring at 30p whereas the Canon is limited to 24p . However the Canon HV30 can shoot at 30p.

my bad guys, i just found a simular thread which i couldnt find earlier b/c i used the wrong words, whatever. sorry for looking like a noob on this forum, peace

Hello,

I am not aware about JVC GR HD1, but I have JVC GZHD7 and I am very much happy, I have posted so many videos in variuos forums, maybe you have gone through my uploaded videos! Here is my profile on Vimeo: http://www.vimeo.com/user318721/videos

I own two camera Canon HV20 & JVC GZHD7, however I like much JVC GZHD7!

Rush

The JVC GR-HD1 has been discontinued but the 720p format lives on as JVC Pro HD. Cameras line the JVC GY-HD200 can record 720p video at the full 60 frames per second unlike 1080i cameras that are limited to only 30 frames per second. 60 frames per second means a sharper picture with no motion blurring. Walter Graff who owns a JVC GY-HD200 swears by this camera when it is equiped with very expensive glass which costs more than the camera. Some television stations have even switched from 1080i to 720p because of the sharper image quality of 720p.

The JVC GR-HD1 has been discontinued but the 720p format lives on as JVC Pro HD. Cameras line the JVC GY-HD200 can record 720p video at the full 60 frames per second unlike 1080i cameras that are limited to only 30 frames per second. 60 frames per second means a sharper picture with no motion blurring. Walter Graff who owns a JVC GY-HD200 swears by this camera when it is equiped with very expensive glass which costs more than the camera. Some television stations have even switched from 1080i to 720p because of the sharper image quality of 720p.

Yes, I do agree, newer model JVC GY-HD250 must be stunning performer! Its dream camera! I am afraid but it is not as popular than Canon & Sony's pro camera, I have downloaded some stunning Canon's clips from their official website, but so far I have not seen any of JVC's video clips, I keep visit JVC's pro website but they never put demo clips of same like Canon!

I would appreciate if some one can guide and I can see some stunning videos from JVC pro camera!

Thanks,
Rush

I have not seen too may videos from the JVC HD250 but to give a good example of the potential of the 720p60 format watch either of the 2 television shows "Dancing with the Stars" and "American Idol" and tell me whether or not you are watching full high definition. Now I realize that these shows were shot with the 720p Panasonic Varicam but if JVC can match 90 percent of Varicam quality then they have a winner.

The 1080p24 format is great for fine detail but as soon as motion is introduced the picture falls apart.

The 1080p24 format is great for fine detail but as soon as motion is introduced the picture falls apart.

So the 1080p 24 is still under development? I am waiting for that day when some company can make very small size camera and we can record videos like real Hollywood movies, and the camera should not bigger than JVC GZHD7!

I am not sure whether it is possible or not!

hey thanks a lot guys, i have heard mixed reviews for both the hd1 and hd7 and i am still in the air for which to get. ive heard that the hd1 has poor color reproduction but ive heard almost the same for the hd7.. on top of that the hd1 is so old and the technology is changing so fast that this camera seems like it would be obsolete to a camera that is newer like the hd7, however i dont have any first hand experience with each so i cant say much right now, but i did check out the hd7 at bestbuy and was suprised with the overall feel of the hd7, it was impressive. the hv20 and 30 are almost out of question because i need a camera that has more features and one thats more robust, the canons just seem to feel like something a soccer mom would use, oh well. thanks again with your help!

The accusation that the JVC GR-HD1 has poor color reproduction is simply not true but rather it has excellent color reproduction. The problem was that when the JVC was introduced in 2003 very few high definition televisions existed so when the camera was reviewed it was hooked up to a crummy analog television that could not display the colors that the JVC was capable of producing.

Also the accusation that JVC GR-HD1 used technology that is obsolete is also not true. The JVC used progressive scan technology while most modern cameras use interlace scanning. However interlace scanning is the real obsolete technology because it was invented over 70 years ago and it never worked. The computer industry dumped interlace scanning about 20 years ago but the television industry still insists on interlace scanning because they can make a lot of money selling it as full high definition 1080i even though it is worse quality than 720p.

thanks a lot again for all your help androbot, and rush. So with your experience, would you say that the hd1 would produce a better image than the hd7? thats really what im trying to get down to. I understand that the hd1 shoots progressive and will take away much of the blur and trailing motion that an interlaced camera will have, but in terms of the single ccd, it can really compete with the hd7 3ccd's?

The JVC GR-HD1 uses a hybrid primary complimentary color filteration system that has the equivalent color reproduction of a 3 CCD camera. Although 4:4:0 color information is sampled the JVC can only record a 4:2:0 color space.

Cameras with better 4:2:2 color space exist such as the Panasonic HVX200 but these cameras cost around $5000.

Although the JVC GR HD-1 is long discontinued, my is still going strong and providing very good HD image quality.

I also have a Canon XH-A1 and in good light, the image quality is very comparable.

I upgraded my GR HD-1 audio with a Beachtek 6AVU XLR microphone adapter and now get pro quality sound out of it using good shotgun mics.

You can give the JVC GR-HD1 a new lease in life by hooking it up to a 120 hertz television which will effectively double the frame rate. Since the JVC uses a very light compression it may be better to achieve a higher frame rate in post rather than overloading the compression engine at the time of recording.

The JVC GR-HD1 is still the worlds most advanced color filteration system possible for a single chip camera which is the hybrid primary complimentary color filteration system. Not even high end cameras like Red Digital Cinema have accepted technology this advanced and rather have chosen inferior Bayer color filteration technology.

And unfortunately the major camcorder makers have responded to JVC's progressive scanning technology by offering a slew of interlace scanning cameras that are not natively compatible with todays progressive flat panel televisions.