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08-04-2003, 01:01 PM
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Kerr, There taking me back.  ROTF
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08-04-2003, 02:09 PM
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I'll just have to try a few different tapes I guess and see the results for myself. I went to a best buy in my city, and I found the Fuji DVC 60 tapes you were talking about. They were being sold in a pack of 3 for $20.00. Then right beside it, was a "Sony Excellence" tape, $20.00 for one tape. I'm wondering why there's such a drastic price difference if Fuji is the superior tape? Anyways..thanks for the replies, I'm learning some stuff.
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08-04-2003, 02:33 PM
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Sony owns more market share so they can charge those prices. Plus that is the most expensive tape from Sony that I know of.
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08-04-2003, 03:06 PM
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Sony calls their normal tape "Premium" and their premium tape "Excellence". It's just marketing.
Did the $20 tape have the memory chip in it? "CM", etc.? That could make the price significantly higher. I don't think Sony sells a "Premium" chipped tape, only their "Excellence" has the chip option. (They sell Excellence without the chip and Excellence with the chip).
Kmacis, Thanks for your input too!
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08-04-2003, 03:17 PM
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Yeah it had that chip in it. That must've been what made it higher. I asked the guy there about it. He said that the clarity was better on those tapes also. He said it reduced noise such as small red or black dots that might appear when fimling a sky and things like that, so I figured I'd research it a little more first..
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08-04-2003, 03:33 PM
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Red or Black dots, I wonder what they tell the employees to tell their customers at Best Buy now a day's?! LOL!
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08-04-2003, 03:58 PM
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I do not know what the chip in the Sony tape is for but there is one in the Panasonic Master tape for profesional and it is there to stop the tape from working if a non profesional uses this tape. Thats why its for profesional use only. The chip can tell if you are shooting using auto control and throws a braking leg into the tape spool therefor stoping the tape. Profesional users never shoot in auto and they always use manual controls. FYI Please note none of the above is true. This is meant to make you laugh.
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08-04-2003, 04:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by axis_D
Yeah it had that chip in it. That must've been what made it higher. I asked the guy there about it. He said that the clarity was better on those tapes also. He said it reduced noise such as small red or black dots that might appear when fimling a sky and things like that, so I figured I'd research it a little more first..
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LOL. He is SHOVELING it in. And it is quite smelly and comes from the back end of a bull.
The chip has NOTHING to do with video quality. It simply stores bits of indexing data like the time you start and stopped recording each segment (this info is also on the tape itself, but the camcorder has to read the entire tape to index it). Some camcorders make use of the memory to add custom titles to the recording, etc. too.
As for the tape itself being a higher quality, he is still way off. These tapes store their data digitally - the SAME data (and same quality imagery) will be laid down. "Noise" is not an issue - if there is noise you won't have ANY picture at all. This is the digital age and many of the old analogue techno-babble is outright ludicrous here when given by a BestBuy employee to a consumer.
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08-04-2003, 06:28 PM
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I do not know what the chip in the Sony tape is for but there is one in the Panasonic Master tape for profesional and it is there to stop the tape from working if a non profesional uses this tape. Thats why its for profesional use only. The chip can tell if you are shooting using auto control and throws a braking leg into the tape spool therefor stoping the tape. Profesional users never shoot in auto and they always use manual controls. FYI
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Now this information stretches my normal desire to just "get along", no matter what!
First, I don't see how it is possible for the tape to know if the camcorder in in Auto mode?
Second of all, why would Panasonic care if a consumer uses one of their over priced, high profit, tapes?
I sure would like to see confirmation of this information from another reliable source before I am going to even start to believe it.
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08-04-2003, 08:03 PM
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Dave, If you will read all of my post in this thread you will understand.  Also you should listen to the radio broadcast of War of the World by Mr. Wells. This thread has a lot in common with that broadcast. |
08-04-2003, 08:35 PM
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Moderator speaking ---
To the readers that are lost -- this thread is trying to be useful on the issue of "tape". There is quite a bit of nonsense in here too, but done so that it may not be recognizable. If you are following the thread through for actual information, you may disregard the posts about the "professional chip" preventing you from using the tape in a consumer camcorder. That is completely false and fake. They would never employ a servo (using what power source?) to apply a break against the hub - they'd have the chip get itself called from the camcorder's microprogramming routines and use the HCF instruction (Halt and Catch Fire) to get the user's attention.
Let's have an enjoyable time here, but not make it impossible for readers to actually get good useful information from this thread!
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08-04-2003, 09:34 PM
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I have to plead guilty to not reading all the previous posts in this thread. But when I saw that thing about a lever coming out and stopping the tape when someone puts a camcorder in Auto mode, I about blew a gasket. Seems to me "War of the Worlds was broadcast in 1937. Now I never heard the original broadcast and I didn't know that they ever re-broadcast it? But I am aware of the principle involved there.
But you did suck me in. There are people that visit here that have equally far out ideas about how some things work. At first glance, this seemed to be one of them. I think we need to make our deliberate stretching of the truth a little more obvious so we don't fool the beginners here.
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08-05-2003, 03:34 AM
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Dave and Kerr you are right. I was so upset at what I had done that I woke up at 0321 AM EST and put a disclamer at the end of my false statement. Now I can go back to sleep.
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08-11-2003, 08:20 PM
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08-11-2003, 08:26 PM
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Yes they do make an 80 minute tape.
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