Please excuse my ignorance but I can only find 25p and 50i options on my HF100, yet I see references that others are choosing 30p as default. Where can I find 30p/60i to test?

Did you get a PAL version (not NTSC)?

Yes, I'm in the UK. Of course, PAL has different standards!

Dont worry soon enough the power of PCs and Internet will unite PAL and NTSC. Afterall, all PCs use 60hz refresh rate as default regardless of where u live and it makes sense to stick to 30p or even 60p for computers, better for achieving vsync

Huh? I never used a refresh rate lower than 75 Hz since I bought my first VESA video card.

The PAL version of the HF100 and HF10 has 25P and 50i options.

The NTSC version has 24p, 30p and 60i




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I guess they figured that 24p was pointless with the PAL's 25p. Although since the theoretical idea of 30p was ease-of-web, not PAL-TV, you'd think they would have gone with 50i, 30p, and 24p. Oh well. You lose both the 'film-like' 24p as well as the 'web-friendly' 30p, and gain... uh... "half-PAL"?

Jockey, 99% of the LCD users out there use 60hz. I know some LCDs let u do 75hz and CRT is a totally different story (where 60-120hz is common, even higher is possible, mainly to reduce flicker).

May i ask what screen u use? If its not CRT, is there a visible advantage in using 75hz?

Anyways, i thought your "huh?" statement was a bit odd, i was just stating a fact. And the point of my original statement was that even Windows defaults to 60hz, not 50.

All my recent CRTs were running at 85Hz. My office LCD runs at 75Hz. My home LCD runs at 60Hz, it simply cannot pump faster because it is a large 1080p screen. I am not sure that higher refresh rate for an LCD is noticeable, I just do it because the monitor allows me to. Higher rate on a CRT is very noticeable, anything below 75Hz flickers.

Windows does not default to 60Hz, PCs do. After all, PCs came from America.

Much of the discussion of refresh rate does not apply to the liquid crystal portion of an LCD monitor. LCDs employ a separate backlight to illuminate the image being portrayed by the LCD's liquid crystal shutters. The shutters themselves do not have a "refresh rate" as such due to the fact that they always stay at whatever opacity they were last instructed to continuously, and do not become more or less transparent until instructed to produce a different opacity. (1)


There should be no need to set a high refresh rate to avoid flicker on an LCD.(2)


When dealing with LCDs, refresh rate is not much of a concern since they use a different technology to draw the image. Refresh rates as low as 40Hz or 60Hz are perfectly acceptable with LCD monitors.(3)


(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate
(2) http://www.techmind.org/lcd/
(3) http://news.digitaltrends.com/featu...ctually-smaller



Rich

Yeah PCs default to 60hz, i just ment when u check it under windows. I also used to run my CRTs at 85hz minimum back in the days, anything less would flicker, 75hz was borderline.

Anyways, LCDs have solved that problem nicely, no more need to use "reforce" for anything outside desktop, hehe

24p movie playback on PAL Tv's is typically sped up to 25fps so I'd say 25p is more similar to 24p. I guess they couldn't divide 50 in other ways:-).

Interesting thread - I'm looking at purchasing the HF10/HF100, however, I'm contemplating getting a Japanese import rather than getting a local PAL version.

Does anyone have good reasons why I would not want to import the Japanese one with 24p/30p/60i support, compared to the Australian one with only 25p and 50i support?

Most TVs these days can handle 60i, and a lot of them are starting to have native 24p playback support as well.

I have read there may be issues in recording (for example, flickering lights), because our power here is 50hz rather than 60hz... though I'm not sure whether that's a real problem?

As a price comparison, I can get the PAL HF10 for $1370 AUD, the NTSC HF10 for $1000 and the NTSC HF100 for $870.